So I guess the question is what do shareholders really want, well in a perfect world they would want their investment to quadruple every day until the 1 dollar they invest was worth one hundred million billion dollars, but since that probably isn't going to happen, unless you got in really early with Bernie, you probably expect a decent return on your investment, most people think you should get 15 to 20 percent returns, which, year over year isn't going to happen. Bonds the normal "safe" investment only returned 2 to 5 percent, so lets say as a normal everyday investor, as a shareholder, I want a 10 percent return. "One of the most popular valuation measures is the price to earnings ratio or P/E. The P/E is the price of a stock divided by its EPS from the trailing four quarters. For example, a stock trading at $20 a share with earnings of $1 per share during the past 12 months has a P/E of 20. The P/E ratio gives a rough idea of what investors are paying for a stock relative to its underlying earnings. It is a quick way to gauge how cheap or expensive a stock may be. Generally, the higher the P/E ratio the more investors are willing to pay for dollar's worth of earnings. Higher P/E stocks tend to have a higher growth rate or the expectation of a profit turnaround. Lower P/E stocks have a lower growth rate and lessor future prospects."
Seems good, if I have a million dollars I would make 100k a year, before taxes. So for a company to return that they need to grow their business by 10 percent, keep costs in line, not go crazy. Seems pretty easy to do, 10 percent, that means a company that is selling 100 million a year needs to sell another 10 million to achieve that. Of course, there are a variety of factors that make up the stock price, i would say made up because it really is made up, the stock price has nothing to do with the financials. What you say??? heresy, I know, burn me as a witch, but I float, I think that makes me a duck, or a witch I can't remember I need to re-watch some Monty Python, but I digress. Here is a list of some companies, I tried to put a couple together that are in similar businesses.
Company | Price | P/E (ttm): | |
Amazon.com Inc. (AMZN)
|
360.62
| 611.22 | |
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) | 76.1 | 15.55 | |
Google Inc. (GOOG) | 1,183.04 | 31.12 | |
Twitter, Inc. (TWTR) | 50.92 | N/A | |
Facebook, Inc. (FB) | 67.24 | 110.05 | |
| 25.4 | 20.09 | |
Hewlett-Packard Company (HPQ) | 31.95 | 11.7 | |
Apple Inc. (AAPL) | 532.87 | 13.24 |
So what does this show? Well other than Amazon is way over priced, it shows that stock prices have very little to do with the fundamentals of a business. So with that in mind, are shareholders super unhappy at HP vs. Walmart and are the shareholders at Apple looking longingly at Amazon going, "You know even though Amazon is in the almost exact same business as Walmart, even though they don't have a colorful website the mocks the way their customers dress (I tend to shop at Amazon in my underwear but thank god my dog and cat haven't figured out how to share pictures on their smart phones) should I be happy that we are blowing HP out of the water and our stock is so high"? I don't know but from what I have heard their shareholders aren't super happy. Does the CEO of Apple care? I don't think so, he has figured out how to make a cheaper iphone because nothing makes you the industry leader like selling a product super cheap so everyone can afford it and then everyone buys it. Oh wait, I don't think that was what Steve Jobs wanted.
To say shareholder value is the driver for anything in this day and age is asinine (: extremely or utterly foolish <an asinine excuse> 2: of, relating to, or resembling an ass ). CEO's have no idea how any policy they implement will affect their stock price, other than giving shit away or overcharging for stuff that some kid puts together in China.. Wait, I guess I can't say that... Well either way shareholder's are idiots just as the guy they are paying millions of dollars to run the company is an idiot. They have no clue what they can do to make the shareholder happy since in most cases the shareholders are millions of people that bought some mutual fund that some dude told them to buy what they can say is that we have a few really powerful people that own or control most of our stock and even though they don't represent the masses, they are powerful enough to make the CEO lose his job so we are going to do what they tell us to do because they aren't really shareholders they just want the people that bought their mutual funds to be happy. Because if the people that bought the mutual funds leave their money in that fund then that fund manager gets a nice bonus based on his return and he can convince more people to invest in his mutual fund so that he can tell CEO's what to do so the mutual fund manager can get a bigger bonus next year, but hey the mutual fund is kind of a shareholder, but then again they aren't.
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